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Structured Water and Rethinking Beliefs on Water with Tom Cowan (TRANSCRIPT)
there is no metastasis there's just new storage place because the original place
got full once that happens and you put garbage in the tissue it can't structure
the water there's no charge now you have dead disorganized stinky nasty tissue
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breing all right today on the L dress Life podcast I am joined once again by
Tom Cowan I don't know if he likes me saying this previously a generally General practicing medical doctor and
the author of at least six books he can correct me if there's more now one of which we've talked about before on the
podcast called human heart Cosmic heart I believe the podcast episode was this same name and this is actually a little
bit of a disruptive episode that gained which I think I don't know Tom but maybe
he has been called a disruptor in the health space right just someone who brings new thoughts and questions to the
space and so it was a bit of a disruptive episode that not in a bad way but like a oh this disrupts my thought
patterns that I have or the things that I've generally believe to be true and that gained a lot of really interesting
attention on our YouTube channel and so it was just kind of intriguing funny
overall neutral So today we're back to talk a little bit about Tom's other book
or another topic that he has written about the book is called cancer and the new biology of water today we're talking
a little bit about water and structured water and how Tom arrived at some of these thoughts and so we're looking for
him we actually had one other structured water episode I did not feel that it
made sense to people and so I'm looking forward to kind of making more sense of
structured water with Tom today so welcome to the show okay here we go think I got it all
right cool structured water is part of what your book when did that this book cancer
and the new biology of water come out 9798 oh my gosh no no no no no no um 17
or 18 201 17 or 18 just like 20 years difference no big deal 2017 2018 what
was the reason that you wrote this book the same reason I write all the books is because the
normal way that I had learned in the normal way that biology and medical
doctors have come to understand a various issue turns out to be
incorrect and so I thought I would do my best to set the record straight when did you first learn about
structured water would you say I Jerry Pollock probably 12 to 15 years ago so
that's what I first heard about I had thoughts about it before that based on
my own observations but there was no like formal concept that I knew about
until I met Jerry po okay so will you share with us in as
simple terms as possible how can we Define structured water from regular
water some people I mean this is a topic people do not agree about right that they're like hey it's just like regular
water I've heard a varable uh arguments about it and I have a few thoughts based
on my own experimentation with structured water and so that's where some of our questions will come from today but tell us in general how to
define structured water and what are some other names for it maybe exclud does is it Jerry Pollock who also calls
it exclusion Zone water as well yeah I mean you could say there's disagreement
about it but not of anybody who actually thinks
because it's obvious and it's it's just the reason there's disagreement about it
is because people have not don't understand what what you're talking about so it's it's very simple we are
told in you know Early Education or better put early
indoctrination that there's three phases of matter right solid liquid and gas so if you
take copper there's solid copper there's molten or liquid copper and then there's
gaseous copper and that's what salt I mean I don't know if it's salt actually
has a liquid phase but every substance allegedly has those three phases right
that's what we yes so so does water water has there's ice that's
solid water liquid that's the liquid and then steam that's
gas right right so what is jello 97%
water which faces Jello gel I mean if that what we learned
was true you'd have to choose one of those a multiple choice question
yeah solid I guess but it's not quite solid it also it's not solid doesn't
have any of the physical attributes of ice which is the solid face so if you want to argue that
there's a dispute over whether there is a fourth phase of
water then you need to come up with an explanation of what Jello is because there isn't one it is a
different gel like different or you know the bond angles are different the X-ray
crystallography is different everything about it is different than either liquid
water or ice or certainly steam so the fact that there is a fourth phase of
water and then you could call it structured coherent exclusion zone or whatever you want but there is a fourth
phase of water period if you don't agree with that then
I wouldn't listen to anything the rest of this because you're in makeb believe
land and facts don't mean anything to you and
which that's fine but it doesn't help yeah so the reason I first started
thinking of this you know I was an ER doctor for a while and it's in so far as we were told
anything about water in medical education we were told that our c CS are
you know made of water and you know 90% of the volume is
water or more 99% of the molecules in our body are water and so essentially
we're bags of water with structure right and stuff like proteins and minerals now
the first thing about that is it doesn't feel like that right doesn't feel like you're slashing around or if you poke it
that it feels like any bag of water that I've ever felt right but I've had the
experience of seeing people baying added and shot and all kinds of stuff in the
ER and you know how many people squirted out water from their body none
none so where's the water there isn't any yeah what happens
if you Bayon Jello it does not squirt water right no
nothing you get a hole in the jello and so it turns out that all of the water
inside the cells is in this Jell-O like fourth phase that's the only thing that makes
any sense because otherwise it would be liquid floating around in which case the
entire biochemistry is incorrect right they say that we our
cells our m membranebound bags of water now the next thing that I
investigated was and this was with the help of a guy named Gilbert leay so one
of the crowning achievements in biology and Medicine the 20th century
was the elucidation of membranebound pumps and
receptors opiate receptors serotonin receptors and the Granddaddy and the
crowning achievement of that was the sodium pottassium pump it is one of the
most important discoveries in medical science in the 20th century Nobel prizes the
whole they've got it down to the so there is a membrane bound it's in the
membrane and it's kind of a whirly gig so it binds to the potassium on the
outside and the sodium on the inside spins around and deposits it's the
pottassium on the inside the sodium on the outside that's why you have an unequal distribution of sodium and
potassium and that gives the cell a charge which which means it's
electrified which is why you see in EEG or an EKG or an EMG that's the origin of
the electrical charge in the living system this difference in the ionic
potential right yes is very important there's drugs that work on the sodium
pottassium pump Etc so I went looking for a picture of it right I if you if you tell me that
there's cats in the world I would say let me see a picture unless you could
show me a real cat uh if you say I can't show you a
real cat and there's no photographs of cats I start worrying that maybe you
made that up right yeah for sure I can you now you can draw a picture of it and you say
this looks like a cat but if you then I would say how do you know it looks like a cat if you've never seen a cat and
they might have a reason like that's what their aunt hila said or something but it doesn't mean it's
true so if you go looking through for an electron microscope picture of any
sodium pottassium pump or any membrane bound receptor
doesn't exist no matter how much resolution even
though the size of the pump is supposedly able to be resolved in an
electron microscope image but there's no pump there's no whirly gig there's no
pump okay well they say what the way they stain it and freeze it and the dyes
maybe that's like dissolves the P fine okay so the next thing that I ran
across this was from Gilbert Ling he did something which is obvious which is so what is the membrane
around Jello I'm not sure right
nothing there is no membrane around Jello right it just kind of ends where the
jello ends there's no like you could put a special coating on it you wanted to
make a fancy Jell-O but that's not part of the jello MH right yeah it doesn't
really have a membrane or a cell wall so if the cells are also
Jello maybe they don't have a cell wall either or a membrane which changes
everything I know it actually disrupts a lot of feelings I have which I'm I'm just going to have to wait to talk through but I'm like over here oh okay
got lots of questions about sodium potassium pump which apparently we have no picture of so we're not sure if it's real so here's what he did he took some
cells and he peeled off the the outer layer right now if that's where the pump
is then that should change the distribution of the sodium potassium in
other words it should equilibrate like just like you know like if you put salt
in one side and distill filled water at another side of a membrane it will
equilibrate if the salt can move from one compartment to the other until they're equal concentration right that's
obvious as long as the salt can move so if you take the membrane out then there
should be nothing between the liquid cytoplasm and the outside and it should
equilibrate but it what the reality is it is this it doesn't change
the concentrations at all in other words he just proved that
the distribution of sodium pottassium not only has nothing to do with a pump
it has nothing to do with the membrane and that's proof because if you
take the membrane off and it doesn't change the distribution then the
distribution did not come from the stuff you took off unless you have some other
way of doing logic which I don't know about if you say that the reason you
know a cat can jump is because of a trampoline and you take the trampoline
away and the cat jumps the same it's not the trampoline no that's called actually
logic so there is no sodium pottassium pump there is no any membrane bound
receptor in which case how do you explain how does one
explain the distribution which interestingly is lost in
cancer so a normal cell is charged and a cancer cell is like a dead battery it
loses its ability to maintain a charge and that charge keeps the cells
essentially from clumping together right because they're negatively charged on the outside they
repel each other if you lose the charge because the sodium pottassium can't
distribute then you have a dead battery and the tissues all clumped together
like you see with with cancer cells because the tissue is dead because
there's no charge so why did that happen well then you have to know where that
distribution comes from it turns out nature is so ingenious that it made the
gels inside our tissues just the right size imagine like
a screen and it's just the right size to trap potassium and exclude
sodium so it doesn't you don't have to add any any energy or anything all you
have to do is make the gel and the size of the gel
automatically holds on to potassium gets rid of the sodium thereby creating the
charge now that led to another Discovery well how do you make the
gel well right you get just the same as you make it a Jello you take proteins
right gelatin proteins you put it in water nothing happens right right right
you heat it what happens and the proteins get EX
unfolded denatured well maybe okay unfolded
unfolded and then that allows those unfolded proteins they go from like this
to like this the water sticks to it because it's open and then when it cools
it makes Jello so the same thing happens in us we have intracellular protein skeleton it's
probably actin but we don't really know that for sure it's it's folded up and
then you put a bunson burner in it and unfolds the water sticks to it and at
body temperature it's a gel the problem is what I just said we
don't have a buns and burner right so there has to be something that plays the
role of buns and burner this going excise that's called
ATP now people erroneously think that ATP gives
you energy it's the energy currency made they say made by the mitochondria in the
christe of the mitochondria where the you know electron transport chain is all
that's a bunch of hooie but you do make this substance which binds to the end of
the proteins and then they unfold like it's like a it's like a
of a drapes you twist the handle and the whole thing goes open they twist it the
other way and the whole thing goes sh so you bind a certain binding
site well that's assuming there's actually molecule but it's an energetic thing really and that unfolds the
proteins the water sticks to it allows it to form this gel the gel hangs onto
the pottassium excludes the sodium you get a charge you get a normal function
if you don't have the ATP or you don't have the right proteins or you've got
poisons that are interfering with the gel right you got poisons dissolved in your water so they can't form a proper
gel you don't form the gel you don't get a charge you're dead Okay I need you to
repeat that oh I need you to repeat that last piece really because it's like if we have missing pieces this won't happen
and before we before you answer that I want to back up to something Dr Paul Anderson said which was that those with
cancer are incredibly dehydrated like that's always the case in cancer that people are dehydrated and the
conversation is that structured water exclusion Zone water coherent water is
found in human the human body and in nature in abundance so feel free to
correct me but it's like a cucumber is full of structured water all plants are full of structured water
um that's everything that's living is is only structured water okay that's the
definition of Life yes so stru water equs hydration well so fares so I mean the
problem with that statement is if he's talking about the quantity of water
that's has nothing to do with it's the state of the water yeah now by the way
if you go to your medical doctor or your oncologist and say I heard this idiot C
on the thing on the teeth you know on the podcast and he says that cancer has
to do with a defect in your structured water in your tissues what do you think
of that no you're right cin he's an idiot he doesn't know anything about Cancer's genetic got it by the way doc
how you know I think I have a tumor how should should we diagnose it well we should do an MRI right because then
we'll find out if you have a tumor so what is it an MRI measure doc well it measures whether you have a
tumor yeah I know that but like what is it actually measuring I don't
know so you go to the radiologist so you're going to do an MRI on me to see
if I have cancer what is the what is MRI actually measuring I don't know
that's weird right so this guy who's supposedly a cancer doctor does a test
and he doesn't even know what the test is measuring you know what it's measuring I
have no idea the quality of the structured water in your
tissues and when it deteriorates in other words becomes like a puddle or
like a hardened irregular form right those are the two ways
it could dissolve or it could you know be misshapen that the MRI picks up a signal
saying this isn't right and then it integrates it in the computer to show you an image that's a different color
than a normal structured water and that's how they know it's a
tumor so the very way that they find the cancer is by a assessing the quality of
the structure your water and they don't even know it I wonder how they I wonder how the
person who knows what an MRI is actually defines it like if we go back and I feel like you're always he said I've read his
work he said you know I I figured out a way to get a signal based on the bond
angles and and the coherence to the water that's how he did
it that was not preserved in the hand made Downs of information I mean they
don't know it because they're scientifically illiterate because you
don't have to know it okay so when we talk about is this statement true if
structured water leads to better hydration in the cells or it's the only I mean it's not
really true if all if all water in living form is structured this is like
something I hear in circles talking about this like you have to structured water otherwise you're not getting
hydration some of the same conversation is made about having minerals in water
and actually I'm really just challenging my beliefs in general about how much water is needed to be consumed on a
daily basis because it seems when you're adding minerals to your water you need to consume much less than if you're not
adding minerals to the water and this is actually blowing open the conversation the feelings I have about potassium and
sodium so I'm going to share something I see with most people it's it's that most
people feel more energy and there's a variety of symptoms that improve when
they consume more potassium and for a long time I've been
referring to the sodium pottassium pump and so I'm thinking about let me
stop you there nobody so how do they consume potassium through food based
sources so how do you know that it's the potassium in the food that's making them
feel better and not the rest of the foods yeah somebody comes along it's see this
is the same issue I have people say when I eat saturated fat that's when I had a
heart problem but they're missing the rest of the nutrients so I asked them
what did the saturated fat taste like and they say what do you mean I
said well if I eat like a banana I I can tell you sort more or less I
don't it's hard to describe but what a banana tastes like or a steak or or a a
hot dog or or a beet or a b or a orange
so what is it if you say you ate a saturated fat what did it taste well I
didn't actually eat a saturated fat what did you eat I ate butter yeah so what is
the percentage allegedly of saturated fat and butter I don't know well it's
about 20% something like that so how do you know if so you're saying you ate butter
and you got a heart attack is that right yeah so how do you know wasn't the other
80% yeah so if somebody eats a banana you say oh I feel much better and
you claim that it's pottassium you don't have a clue that that's right yeah I
mean to your point when people tell you like saturated fat makes this happen I
automatically think of all these other scenarios of like why they may feel or not feel better we probably think
different things it's extremely sloppy way of describing what they ate because
they didn't eat a saturated fat and nobody eats pottassium and even if you go into how do you prove
that atoms exist and all that I can gu guarantee you wouldn't be able to do that so it's a misleading way of looking
at the world I want to by the way there's no
guarantee or actually any information that drinking structured water makes the
water in you structure like in fact there's reason to
think that's not the way it would be well that's probably a pretty important Point Let's Go there next
because that's automatically how our human brains sometimes operate like oh this thing is good for me I must take
this thing before I do that I want to ask you about the process in making the
gel when the protein unfolds you were talking about there's no photo there's
no photo of the sodium pottassium pump is there evidence of the whole
unfolding of the protein to create a structured gel inside of us is
there like lots of proof of this there's not lots of proof there's some lines of
evidence and it's it's a good point it's possible that's not actually the way it
works but it seems to be that it is a good point so what's accurate to say is
something happens energetically that allows us to create
structure water and it seems to have something to do with proteins because if
you put it in an experimental system with no proteins it won't form
structured water and in fact if you do it in experimental system you have to add
something like ATP to get that to happen it's like a catalyst yeah but that
doesn't prove that's what happens in us so yeah yes it is to a certain extent
unproven but it may be possible let's say it like okay well let's jump to what
might be important to talk about next so you're describing if I was to sum up structured water in a very much of a
micro definition it's a fourth phase of water perhaps a gel like structure that
doesn't require a membrane to be as as kind of a boundary and it's in all
certain pH it's negative charge and has a bunch of other characteristics
which poock has you know very clearly and carefully
elucidate okay I want to talk about well you just talked about how structured water comes to be different places I
have learned things about structured water have said in nature it becomes structured as it goes around and spins
around things in nature as water goes like travels through a stream do you have any comments on that and then I
want to talk about how the concept of consuming structured
water for a moment and how do we validate if structured water can be
structured I mean I have been given a structured water device and when used
according to directions I felt that there was a smoother taste to the water
that I used the device on than not but I've also been given other devices that supposedly structure water and I was
like I cannot tell the difference here whatsoever so what do you think so there movement of water
particularly in vortexing patterns according to Pollock's experiments increases the structure of the water
that means it increases the percentage of water that's in this gel phase the
number of layers of and the simplest experiment is you put you get a beaker
of water and you suspend a horizontal Hydro philic tube which is like a
protein tube right and in the so that if the
tube is in water it will form a gel layer on the inside of the
tube just be the interaction of water and hydrophilic surfaces and you can
prove that because you can stick a pH meter in and you can measure the
intensity the ph and the physical characteristics of this gel like
water and then you can do experiments you can watch the water move in the tube
and the reason it moves in the tube is because if the gel layer is negatively
charged then that means the positive charges have to go into the water okay
and they repel each other and start moving right and so then you can measure
the velocity of the water in the tube and that gives you an idea of the the
the strength of the gel layer or the size of it the quantity
of and then you can vary the beaker like you can expose it to
sunlight and that will increase the gel layer speed up the movement you can put
the beaker on on the earth and that will increase the gel layer speed up the move
so if you want to structure the water in a living system you expose yourself to sunlight and that
structures the water in you and you can measure that with certain devices you
can put your feet on the earth so-called grounding and that will increase the
structured water content percentage in you you can
try different minerals and that will increase your decrease if you put your cell phone next to the beaker the the
water stops moving because it destructured the water so if you want to have
destructured water just carry your cell phone around in your pocket so I'll I'll
summarize But first you said you can measure the structuring that's happening in the body through grounding and
getting sun exposure how do you measure there's devices that measure the intensity or the car the quality of this
of the structured water in your tissues I'm trying to imagine what these might
be called or what they're how they would measure this yeah I don't remember the name of the device but there there are
many different ones I mean that's something poock has done experiments with this so you can look that up okay
so to have water in the phase it's meant to be in in our body we have to expose
oursel to the ions I guess negative ions from grounding get exposure to sunlight
minerals you know the minerals and you have to have adequate protein the right kind of protein have to have the right
kind of you know distilled water doesn't gel we're near likeed water you have to
have an energy source which may be a chemical energy source or it may be UV
light or sunlight or earthing or laying on of hands other living beings all
provide different energy sources that going to be the question is what do you say to people who are living in dark low
low light climates sometimes for days or alaskans that are in a mostly dark State
use alternative energy sources so different foods concentrate
and essentially store UV light like fats so essentially that's why they eat
high fat high like seal blubber diets because they're essentially you know
using the stored fat okay that makes sense so cell phones
are we using the word EMF would destructure the water in our body
essentially the energy source is you know if you don't have an
energy store like if you put this Baker of water and there's no if you put it in a lead
box it stops moving because there's no outside energy
to help structure the water so we live in a electromagnetic
environment right and and so far as as we Harvest that electromagnetic energy
to run our system we essentially have antenna that
download that that goes into our water and structures the water so in if you're
cut yourself off from the electromagnetic field of the earth you're not going to do well I'm just
thinking about I mean you've talked about how cancer cells basically Clump up
because I'll try to say it like this maybe they don't have structured water right is that a way I could say it so
essentially what happens is you poison the organism right and the organism just say
says I've got to put this stor this poison somewhere out of the way because
I can't excrete it all so it puts it in in a tissue like a breast
tissue that poisonous stuff you know of whatever it is disturbs the ability of
the breast to make normal structured healthy breast
tissue and so now now you have a essentially a bag of
debris and that's called a tumor with all these disorganized cells Etc it's
actually not that different than if you have a house and somebody puts garbage in your the foyer of your house most
people will take their a bag and put the garbage in the bag and then put it in the
garage eventually they'll take it out that's what your body does if you fill
it with garbage you put it in a bag put it in a usually not vital place like
your garage or your breast or your prostate not in your
brain or heart or liver now if you keep putting more and
more garbage then you get more and more bags and you start putting it in your
spare bedroom and then the living room and then the dining room and then your master bedroom and then the kitchen and
you move because you can't live in the house anymore that's called
metastasis right now they say that the tumor cells crawl from the garage to
this master bed to the spare bed right so they crawl or Swim through
the bloodstream from your breast to your liver or your brain or wherever else
right that's what they tell you sure so if they tell you that go to your oncologist and say can you show me the
tumor cells in my blood because obviously that's how they got there no why
not well they're not enough to see so how do you know that it swam from my
breast to my liver well how else did it get there just like how else did the garbage
get from your garage to your bedroom it must have crawled right even even though
one never sees bags of garbage crawling from the garage to the bedroom that's
because they don't crawl and there is no metastasis there's just new storage
place because the original place got full once that happens and you put
garbage in the tissue it can't structure the water there's no charge now you have
dead disorganized stinky nasty tissue otherwise known as is cancer and that's
all there is to it so what if there's bags by the way if
you look at every successful Natural Therapy Gerson diet rif machine you know
Kelly diet detoxing saas sweat lodges coffee enimas everything they all do the
same thing get rid of your garbage I mean I do agree that garbage
is a big problem for cancer and so I want to ask if you've got a bag of
garbage in the garage and the spare bedroom and maybe the living room I mean
that's significant serious right like the garbage is overflowed from the garage so
now it needs you need a new place to put the garbage you got a problem yeah you got a problem so it's sort of like this
works a lot better in prevention like don't let the garbage accumulate would
be the easiest thing it seems like it would be to do however in the nature of humans we
tend to you know zoom in on things when they start to affect us right like
sometimes we're not touched by things until until the garbage is everywhere and
so I don't know exactly what the question is but what advice do you have
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if you don't know how to do it work with somebody who understands this process of
which by the way there are very few people but you know we have a online Clinic called a new biology clinic and
we all think like this I don't actually see patients anymore or members we call
them but we've had a number of people who've had like stage four melanomas and
other you know so-called incurable or terminal or end stage cancer who have
recovered and we have scans to prove it because once you understand nature of
what you're working with now the tricky part is the garbage can be lots of
things can be food garbage water garbage it can be emotional garbage and psychic
garbage and Trauma garbage and the way you see the world garbage and thinking
garbage like if you think there's viruses and you think that you have an immune system that's
garbage because you're living in a makeb believe world and the way I describe this this
process imagine this I think imagine because I like cats right so imagine you
have this cat and I have this cat and he goes outside and he sniffs the air and
he looks around and his tail goes up his Tail's an antenna and he goes like this and he s
just kind of gets a sense of what's out there you know because there's coyotes and bears and there there's birds that
he wants to Chase and Etc right and then he go decides where he's going to go
right imagine you told his name is pumpkin pumpkin by the way there's a
thing that's out there that's going to get you it's your real danger but you
can't see it smell it feel it or sense it in any
way what's he gonna do I don't know I mean I don't I don't
know if the cat cares or if he's going to run and hide I suppose he would run and hide depends on his mannerisms he
wouldn't be able to live like that because he would have no felt sense of
where he stands and you cannot live like that except that's where 99% of Americans are
living they think there's all these things which they have no sense
of the viruses are going to get you there's this going to get you all these
things are going to get you and you don't have any sense of whether they're actually even true or how to know
whether they're there you are in a very vulnerable
position and that means you're stressed right because you could get any time you
know and that's the way so you live in fear just like pumpkin would live in
fear not knowing if the next move something he can't see is going to get him that's where people are these days
and so they have to go back and live in reality and that's where the that's the
sort of root of the problem but you've got to challenge everything you believe about reality so
it's going to take some it's going to take some time right because we've been so conditioned not to believe our
senses whereas you look at traditional people who by the way rarely if ever in
fact seemingly never got cancer and you told them you told him traditional
Native American it's like pumpkin and you got these enemies out there and you can't see them or smell them or anything
they wouldn't believe you because they can't live like that
once you convince somebody that that's their reality they're a
gter that's where everybody is there that's unfortunate that we've had quite an experiment for this for a few years
so it makes this like more of a visceral example that you've provided you got
this danger it's going to kill you right you can't see it you can't smell it you
can't taste it you have no idea and you don't even know how anybody knows it's
there and so your only default position is fear and fear is probably the biggest
toxin there is yeah yeah I I mean I'm intrig I wonder how much I agree with
you that thought garbage and emotional and Trauma garbage is all a significant issue and it would be interesting to
know how that may affect structuring and in a way this is kind of the examples I
don't know who did the studies on like people talking negatively to plants I mean it's kind of the what they saw
right like they spoke nice things to one plant and they spoke negative things to another plant and that's kind of the concept of plant like plants are all
structured water right and so it's a very easy it's a very easy thing I remember I had this P lady named Paco
and I left him alone for like a week and I I came to him and he was like so sad
and I gave him water and he came back to life and for me I'm like okay I can see like this is like my thought around like
making sense of of structured water so I have a question about the energy sources
that support structuring you brought up the sunlight you brought up grounding you brought up you know foods that store
UV light like fats you brought a lane of the hands are there any other energy
sources like for example does red light play a role in supporting structuring in the human body I mean red light is a
part of sunlight yeah true so any May that
specifically structures the water maybe like just a offhand statement or you're
like huh it might actually like this actually is there there's a lot of research on the the energetics of red
light th and I've used it myself and I only use red lights like as sleeping
lights and I have a red light SAA there's a lot of evidence for increasing the charge of a person through red light
there but I don't think it's the only part of the sunlight that
actually you know has a beneficial effect yeah well it's I'm I'm probably
going to Mis missp about this for you but when we think about the ingredients
to make structured water you brought up ATP proteins in the specific type
protein yes ions but and water yes and water and with red light essentially the
mechanism in research is that it increases ATP and whether or not we believe that it's one of the pieces of
the puzzle that you gave us for structuring right it seems to be the only organel that's real in a tissue
issue is mitochondria and they seem to be red light
receptors so that it could be on this note since we're on the topic of light a
little bit probably multiple wave lengths of light probably multiple types
of light could support structuring maybe red light which are there lights or
lights that people that would unstructed I don't know how we say it unst structure destructure because
there's a conversation about Led from computers flickering lights from
computers I don't know if it's just the light or the whole electromagnetic
frequencies but something in that mix destructured the water you could see
that because when you put that next to this Beaker of water it stops the water from moving how from your visual eyes
you cannot see that water stopping and starting moving so how do you know if it's you can I mean you can measure it
with a velocity measuring device so you see the
flow okay let's talk about devices you've offered that nature is the
perfect structuring device somewhat those are not your words that's just what I'm taking from it nature is the
perfect structuring device what about all the devices on the market that advertise structuring
I mean you did talk about a tube and you kind of went through that and there are some tubes on the market that supposedly
structure water but what's your in general thought process about devices that promise to structure water I mean
it depends on what they're saying and what process what they're using so for
instance we carry a device called an an analemma onean which is you know
supposedly highly structured water in this quartz too you know I know the guy
who came up with it I've seen his years of experiments with watering plants and
feeding animals this different water and the biological changes that they get so
those are the studies that actually I care about like you take this water that's stirred with this wand and you
feed these hundred tomato plants and the other 100 tomato plants are exactly the
same conditions best you can and the only variable is the water and you see it a dramatically different
result and that's what he did so you can do that plants animals and find out if
there's biological differences now that doesn't tell you it's because it's structuring the water but it tells you
that there's some changes in the water as a result of stirring this water yeah
this is also what I have and I would do several blind tests and
be like can you tell the difference and people would be like that one tastes better that one tastes smoother that one tastes different I did have like I said
a different device and I was like I cannot tell anything right so so some of them seem to work and others don't and
you know most people either don't really test which is not a good idea because you can't really tell you can tell a
little bit about the smoothness but you have to do tests and you have to do you
only experiments that I pay any attention to anymore are with actual
organisms with how they do not whether it changes the ATP or the
proteins or any of that stuff that all mean or cell cultures none of that means
anything you get this 10 cats and they can jump this high and run for this long
and you feed them this water and they can run twice as long and they seem happy and sleep better and you measure
their their parameters so to speak and you record it and observe it and see
what you see that's how I do it well on that note if someone was trying to test some
things if they Incorporated a structured water device and ANM has a whole home structured water device I Feel Like
Anything Can Happen so there would be lots of potential like that would be the only input you could have and it's like
what are all the things that you could test around this so the real question is like how would you encourage someone to
test for themselves whether this is making a viable difference for them it's the same question I asked every patient
when they came back I told them they said that they have this and they have that or whatever they have and then I
would say do this eat this way move this way whatever I told them stir your water
something they come back in a month how's your life it's better
so convince me that it's better I'm sleeping better I'm getting along with my wife better my foot doesn't hurt
anymore used to be my knee was twice the size of the other and now it's normal
and I used to not be able to walk very much and now I can walk normal and my
work is going well and I made more money and everything's good and you know it also takes practice
to know that because you know like like you can do put somebody comes in they
say they're depressed right so tell me about your life well you know I'm I'm not getting
along with my wife and I'm not doing well at work and I'm think I'm going bankrupt Etc and I'm really depressed so
you give them an anti-depressant right that's what they do comes back in a month how you feeling oh much better not
depressed so how's your wife oh we got divorced how's your job oh I got fired
how's your finances oh I went bankrupt so what happened their life
isn't better they just are known that's the difference so I'm
interested convince me what's different about your life and don't like Prejudice
the witness if it's worse it's worse if it's better it's better yeah so there could
be multiple things I don't I'm not saying look for Sleep look for this and the more you pre see
that's gets to the other point I said we don't even know how to know whether we're
better now I can tell you I've gone essentially 40 years without a blood
test or a physical exam or any outside input into how I'm
doing I decided I'm just going to figure it out for based on how I feel and if I
don't think I'm doing right I'm going to eat differently move differently think differently walk differently sleep
something you know change my mattress pad something and what happens is you
practice assessing over your lifetime that's normal human behavior
but we've been convinced not to do that so people say are you better I have no
idea M my doctor said my A1C is 5% worse
so I must be worse
you yeah I agree with you completely about this I think once you harness the skill and develop the skill of
assessment and awareness which could be the same I guess for me I think that
you're a bit Unstoppable like there's nothing that I think that's when like things really
open up for possibility I think this is where you're in control right exactly
this puts you in control to be able to be aware and to assess and to the other
piece of that which you said in different words is like to practice that without expectation sometimes because I
think we have to collect sometimes failures like sometimes this experiment didn't work or the way I wanted it to
and I have to be neutral about that and adjust most of the things they don't work
which is good because you felt that that didn't work yeah exactly it's just as much every experience is a success toay
is a Louise Hay quote that I actually really love I was reading some reviews
of your book and the reviewers were praising some things and and I wanted to
draw this out I thought this was a really beautiful thing and this is something that I've come to quite often
that absolutely on the heels of this last point you just offer like Outsourcing your power and reh
harnessing your power really so I had done lots of coaching around thoughts
and I find I always have to be renewing the mind to ask better questions and so very often I'm sure you saw this all the
time too but very often people say should I do this or should I do that and so one of the reviews for your book said
the question is really am I asking the wrong question or what assumptions am I making that may be an incorrect I call
it like let's ask oursel like the quality of our question determines the quality of the answer quite often is
this something that you talk a lot about in your book or with in your education
about ask sking these Tropic I mean I feel that this is kind of the premise of how you've arrived to where you are is like being in a obscene questioner
overall well I ask a lot of question I mean I have a very specific strategy when I hear something that I I'm
interested and I don't know ask every question I can think of to get
the full perspective of the person who's telling me whatever they're telling me
and then I repeat it back ask them to correct me of anything
that I got wrong and I did that basically with every patient encounter I
asked them all kinds of questions except why I never ask somebody why they're
sick because a they don't know and B that that's my job so when did your foot
hurt what does it feel like how did this come about anything you could tell me
about when your foot started hurting or what it feels like and then I would tell
it back to them and ask them if I got it right I
would uh usually process would unlock their
understanding of what happened in the vein of asking your
good questions I'm going to just quickly verbally summarize our conversation as I
saw it play out a little bit we talked a little bit about defining structured water as the fourth phase of water in
general as a gel even though if you're using something like an analemma wand I
would say that the water does not appear to be a gel but that was the analogy that was used we talked about how cancer
cells kind of Clump together so we talked a a touch about hydration how a
sodium potassium pump is not validated and proven we talked more importantly
about potentially how to make this structured water what the ingredients are to make that we talked about natural
inputs from nature on how to create how to improve
structuring potentially in living organisms including ourselves we talked about what robs us of struct ured water
which we kind of summarize to electromagnetic fields and I would
wonder if there's other plants that really compromise structure also as well we talked about those pieces we talked
just a bit about devices specifically about one that we both have is there
anything that you would want someone that's listening to this to know about structured water that we did not mention
or is there a question that you would maybe it's just something you've already said is there a question you would leave
them with to kind of chew on um as they kind of go forth in their own
journey I mean if you start learning about water you'll start learning about
light so I would just if you haven't ever thought about it or looked into it
start looking into water cool it's a kind of a big topic I
agree big topic because it's life yeah water and there's no life yeah so much
to talk so many questions I get all the time about water quality Etc so thanks
for resurfacing structured water for me this was a topic I visited at least 18 months
ago with a wand that's on my shelf so something I'll have to decide what my
own tests are going to be on the outside and determine what I think works thank
you very much for coming on today okay thank you you
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